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The Most Powerful Commander Decks | The Command Zone #187 | Magic: the Gathering EDH Podcast

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michaelkeha (1 day ago)
I faced off against the teferi deck what a piece of utter boring shit that reinforces with adamantium rebar my view that competitive commander is a fuckin joke with dumb fucking decks also the tazri deck is the reason I couldn't get games for 3 weeks with my allies tribal deck because tazri was the new hotness in comp commander and people thought it was the comp deck so fuck both those decks.
The entire format should be pushed to "fun magic". Stuff like Tooth and Nails, Staff of Domination or Exquisite Blood should be banned. Infinite combos need to be hard to achieve and restricted to target one player only if possible. Otherwise it will turn into poorman's vintage, because the same tools are aviable, except that fair decks lack the consistency to stop them.
No mikaeus? The entire deck a huge infinite combo of "things", from damage, life, mana, even discard, and has way to many options or each.
RIOT (10 days ago)
Prossh may have the greatest weakness, but a tuned Prossh can be faster than most of these decks. Also, the Food Chain/Eternal Scourge combo is good in Prossh as an alternate use for Food Chain when Prossh eats an inevitable counter spell. The new Squee is another good replacement for Prossh if you need an infinite mana abuse card. Lastly, by having fewer than 5 colors, you have more room in your deck for removal and tutors, so you still move insanely fast. Resolving and protecting Food Chain is the hard part, not Prossh. I've been using Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast lately to deal with any blue nonsense and Eternal Witness or Seasons Past to get Food Chain back if a game goes longer than necessary.
mike long (10 days ago)
Is your wallet taller than you are? Buy the win..be that guy. Your fellow players will hate you lol
eli r (11 days ago)
"your watching this around thanksgiving" well it may be thanksgiving but the thanksgiving of the next year
Gimme_Them_Toes (27 days ago)
Omg it's ted wong
Yodaslayer3000 (27 days ago)
Going back and watching, I just now realized you explained the chained veil combo kind of wrong. Chained Veil doesn't target anything, it stacks the amount of times you can activate the planeswalker abilities, so you can kill teferi and then recast him and immediately stack a bunch of mana, so it is 100 percent infinite, the moment Jace hits the board, he should immediately be able to ult and kill the board.
Samuel Goodliffe (27 days ago)
34:50 That...that's an okay combo without Rings of Brighthearth or a similar effect. Even then it's meh. With Rings of Brighthearth I believe you maybe able to go infinite...tbh I'm going to bed after this comment so I'm not going to bother thinking about it tonight. Simple answer It requires 4 combo pieces and 6 lands to be at least good but even then it's still meh. It only draws you 13 cards and digs you 26 cards through your deck while producing 162 mana. And can not be disrupted by an opponent. Period. Good for semi-cheap decks. Complicated answer Lets start with what's on the field. 3 mana rocks that each produce 3 mana each (for the sake of optimal mana production) The Chain Veil 6 untapped Island's Basis of the combo 1) You cast Teferi from the command zone. (First time you just use the 6 Island's) 2) You plus Teferi (This doesn't impede the combo in fact it helps it by giving it 1 more activation with Chain Veil before he dies) 3) You tap your mana rocks to produce 9 mana 4) You then activate Chain Veil. Which costs 4 mana. 5) You minus Teferi, untap all 4 artifacts. (Mana rocks, Chain Veil) 6) Repeat steps 3 - 5 until Teferi dies. 7) Repeat steps 1 - 6 until re-casting Teferi no longer produces mana. Now lets talk mana production, since he enters with 5 loyalty and you plus him resulting in 6 minuses which each produce 5 mana per cast of Teferi (5 mana produced * 6 minuses = 30 mana produced). Or x = 6, y = (9x - 4x). x being the # of times the combo is executed per casting and y being the mana gained per casting. Exactly how many times can you cast Teferi? As many times as you like until he costs 32, on the last one you will gain no mana but you will get an extra card from the +1. But how many is that? 13 casts to be exact including the initial casting. Or 32 = 6 + 2(x - 1). x being the times cast. You maybe doing the math in your head like OMG that's 360 mana! But that's only Gross-Mana produced not Netgain in mana. What your forgetting is the cast cost of Teferi which goes up by 2 each casting. So in reality you only Netgain 162 mana...for a lot of steps and time...not too good. However you do get to look at 26 cards of your deck and draw 13 of them (from Teferi's +1) which you can then cast with the mana produced. That's probably the one redeeming factor in this combo TBH which makes it good but not top-tier. Especially when it requires 6 lands, 4 combo pieces and it absolutely can not be disrupted by an opponent....still fun idea and of course it will always be subjective on a per game basis (The high being you have other Planeswalkers you control, the low being your opponent has a response and it fizzles, etc.) Edit: If you feel like I am missing something be that a problem in the math, order, whatever, feel free to leave a comment. Or if you just want to discuss or voice your opinion that's cool too. Just so you guys know I probably won't be back unless the comment gets a toooooonnnn of likes due to how notifications work.
The Saurus (28 days ago)
It's not colorless mana... It's generic mana. It bothers me way more than it should that more people don't make that distinction.
LordScrambles (28 days ago)
I don't think you guys fully understand the Teferi combo. It IS infinite because when Teferi enters the battlefield, he is a new entity. This means that you get free uses of his Planeswalker abilities from the previous chain veil activations, resulting in perpetual net-gains as you recast him.
Professor. Moriarty (29 days ago)
Prossh with Nissa, voice of Zendikar, get it?
Kieran (1 month ago)
best one ive played is jace vryns prodigy
PhazonOmega (1 month ago)
Chain Veil also has a weird little quirk: Near infinite Planeswalker activations. Everytime Teferi is re-played from the Command Zone, he is treated as a "new" planeswalker, and receives EVERY ACTIVATION FROM THE VEIL that has happened this turn so far. Not only does this mean you can use his +1 in between his -1, but eventually you will have enough activations to use his +1 to search your deck for what you want (preferably a finisher planeswalker like Jace or Ugin). Then, when you play Jace or Ugin, you can use their abilities additional times for every Veil activation of that turn. So, if you have 39 activations and Ugin, you just Lightning Bolt everyone 40 times for 120 damage total, or 40 damage per player (doesn't divide evenly, but players are usually down a few points anyway).
PhazonOmega (1 month ago)
Training Grounds is the simplest and cheapest $$$ combo with Basalt Monolith, as it reduces the untap cost from 3 to 1, meaning you tap for 3 and untap for one, netting 2 colorless mana.
CaptBackwards (1 month ago)
21:00 tidewater minion + illusionist's bracers = infinite mana plus infinite untaps and etc.
Mike Asterios (1 month ago)
My Jhoira (captain) deck is pretty strong :D I purposefully keep the egginess of it low as our commander playgroup is more on the casual side
Josh Butler (1 month ago)
Thrasios, Triton Hero Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix Prossh, Skyraider of Kher General Tazri Teferi, Temporal Archmage Zur the Enchanter
Caleb Harding (1 month ago)
Sliver Overlord, and now I am putting together a Najeela deck.
Matthew Desrosiers (1 month ago)
hi from october 24 2018!! nearly a year late, yea!!!
Tyler Stoll (1 month ago)
How do you spend an hour talking about infinite mana and don't mention grand pila pala
AgentOrange (1 month ago)
This went from a video about powerful decks to just be a collection of infinite combos. I wish to just hear about solid decks, a few combos don't make a deck. What about the actual rest of the deck? I have heard way less about protecting the combos and trying to stop an opponent.
Christopher Hancock (1 month ago)
Prosh is the only commander I know of where you want the commander tax.
lanesteele240 (1 month ago)
How boring would these games be
Leovold before it was banned
The Bird Wizard (1 month ago)
I am in the middle of the "spectrum" if there was one to determine a decks power. I play powerful cards but stay away from combos. I have no problems with what people play as Edh and CEdh shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Those that take highly tuned CEdh to pub stomp kids or casual players are people I can't stand however in reverse a kid telling me I can't play Path to Exile because it kills his dragon is just as bad. Play to what your playgroup enjoys. From experience powering down my decks to play with my friends has made Edh more enjoyable while I keep my more powerful decks for more spike mind people. I love the idea of CEdh but I despise those that pubstomp the casual groups, honestly what do you get out of that?
Chad Morrison (2 months ago)
Surely if you know prossh could be countered when costs a million you woukd run command beacon to put it into your hand and start again
Michael Barker (2 months ago)
Angel's Grace won't protect you against Ad Nauseam's life loss, you will die on the cleanup step because Angel's Grace is worded to only modify damage dealt and not life loss. It protects you only from losing the game until end of turn from Ad Nauseam.
Nerdy George Washington (2 months ago)
I'll have to try that Isochron Scepter/Dramatic Reversal Combo. It's cheap, easy to pull off, and doesn't win the game by itself. I love it.
Ovcharka (2 months ago)
Holy shit it just passed summer lmao
Sean Hurley (2 months ago)
Rings of Brighthearth + Basalt Monolith... Part of the BM's ability is the cost - why doesn't the RoB copy the cost as well?
Patrick Nägeli (2 months ago)
i love the siraca sauce in the background XD
Puneet Kapoor (3 months ago)
oloro prison
Alex Whipple (3 months ago)
The most competitive deck I've played against was an Edgar Markov vampire tribal deck that my friend has been improving for the last year. It gets creature out fast and can easily create an army if left to its own devices. He also has two sanguine bond combos where you lose all of your life and and then lose the game. They use blood tribute and exquisite blood.
Emmett Ochrach-Konradi (3 months ago)
Yep, its summer.
Zn1pe (3 months ago)
ohh boiii 56min. of cancer xD i like to swing with my team ......
Atwex Fin (3 months ago)
So the point of cEDH is finding a good and ideally flexible combo and tutoring the shit out of your deck to take off before your opponent ? In a theory craft perspective this seems fun but I can hardly see the point of playing it as a format; looks like it's taking away it's essence from said format. Shouldn't the point of having a format with a lot of singleton to have upsets, surprises, high and lows etc ? Like, those competitives decks seems to say "okay let's fight as much as we can against the limitation of the format so that we can win; high variance is a feature of the format but screw that". (Kind of new to Magic so I appologize in advance if I aproach this with a too narrow PoV; I'd like to have your insights if you're a cEDH player as I wanted to shout to every deck that I saw there -> play modern)
daemonCaptrix (3 months ago)
Bing Crosby < Google Crosby
Celty (3 months ago)
These are all sooo fragile lol like sure, ur tryna go off on turn 2-4, but you got 3 other competitive decks and you’re assuming they have no way to stop it. Seems like a lot of money to pour into a deck just to whif :/
DaymoonNightsun (3 months ago)
Damnit He predicted my Summer viewing
Tyler Barrett (3 months ago)
Why, yes, it is summer, and I am watching this right now!
Dave Richards (4 months ago)
Eff prosh, hate him
Masta Shredda (4 months ago)
Timetwister doesnt work that way do these guys even read the cards or their rulings. Timetwister doesnt shuffle in your deck it goes to grave and theyre forgetting about one of the best infinite mana combos with deadeye navigator smh so many things wrong with most of what they say
Eli Korn (4 months ago)
Lol first time watching and it's the summer
flamingRose100 (4 months ago)
It's summer
VPT Anthony (4 months ago)
HOW TF DID YOU KNOW I WAS WATCHING THIS DURING SUMMER?!?!
KaizoYoshi (4 months ago)
I play Kess and planning to get Doomsday. For now its a Paradox Engine deck.
Daniel Villaveces (4 months ago)
Hey great job avoiding hate. Lol
Eric Burnett (4 months ago)
Why yes, yes it is summer when I'm listening to this.
Warren Bryson (4 months ago)
That face when it actually is summer for you and this just got way to real.
Azhureus (4 months ago)
I like duel decks, alot, mostly the older ones. One of the strognest I have ever played imo is Koth of the Hammer in duel deck Koth vs. Venser. Venser is cool synergy guy, but Koth is freaking agro-dmg-kinda-fast-mana-build deck. Ive never had a chance to play EDH officialy. By the way I gonna say it again, this channe lis sooooo under-rated, you should really have like another at the end of your sub number :)
Stephen Turner (4 months ago)
iT IS TOTALLY SUMMER RIGHT NOW!!!
CrazyMentor94 (4 months ago)
I play casual Coooamnder and played against a colorless Eldrazideck once that managed to go Archenemy 1v3 the rest of the table without combos or stuff. Maybe because the deck was very well piloted =P
Rogue yea (5 months ago)
You're right some are watching in summer
The Jon (5 months ago)
SNAP he was right, I AM watching this in summer :-O
Kremlin Highlander (5 months ago)
1:01 We have arrived.
jbubbarb (5 months ago)
Surprised Gitrog didn't make the list.
Upscale Thread (5 months ago)
Omg, I'm watching this in July right now.
Josue V (5 months ago)
it IS summer! how did they know?
MattyMoo728 (5 months ago)
It’s summer for me right now lol
Brayden Sinclaire (5 months ago)
ha dive...thrasios...i get it (pun maybe wasn't intended 😂😂😂)...
GH09159 (5 months ago)
Correction for the bit where they talk about ad nauseam: ad nauseam doesn't actually deal damage. Also angels grace says that you can't lose the game. This is why phyrexian unlife also works. Necrpotence doesn't work with angels grace because you can't pay life that you don't have, thus meaning if your life total, for any reason, is less than one, necro doesn't work. I know that it is semantics and doesn't change the point, but it still bugged me
joshua h (5 months ago)
It is summer for me thanks for thinking about us late watchers :)
Hieroglyphics87 (5 months ago)
gitrog frog is also super stupid quick. gitrog + dredge land, and have kozilek, and lotus petal in your deck, and have a discard outlet, so constnatly discard dredge land draw your entire deck when you deck out discard kozilek reshuffle, and you get lotus petal play it sac it just keep shuffling repeating for infinite mana then play exanguinate or something that drains.
Gary Korin (5 months ago)
It's summer for me.
Just Chillin (5 months ago)
Jimmy you're not wrong Im just watching this 7 months later lol
Tyubirocks1 (5 months ago)
It IS summer for me! Lol
emerson woodyard (5 months ago)
Whoah, I just happen to be watching this during the summer
Advisor of Atlantis (5 months ago)
The best deck i have played against is the dragon precon deck
Charles Yun (5 months ago)
People fear my Doomsday Zur.
FLUFFERS (5 months ago)
HOW DID THEY KNOW ITS SUMMER
JE3STER666 (5 months ago)
I have Zur in an 60 card green white black constellation deck he slays
Nate Schill (5 months ago)
My friend plays Tron (Not in edh). The only 2 decks I have that can beat Tron are control and commander. HOW DO I BEAT TRON?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Nate Schill (5 months ago)
too slow. blood moon can't get past turn 3 Karn!
CoolKiller39 (5 months ago)
Just 2 Words: Blood Moon
TheSilvergriffyn (5 months ago)
....Totally not summer yet
Dylan wehunt (6 months ago)
June 2018, Summertime checking in. lol
BahamutEx (6 months ago)
how do you cast tazri infinite times tho?(food chain combo)
TheBeast (6 months ago)
In fact, it is summer
Kingdom Rhye (6 months ago)
And yup it’s summer
sam (6 months ago)
Praetors grasp and infinite obliteration are always side boarded for these decks.
i1KiCK1BUTT (6 months ago)
it is just about summer XD.
Co coexist (6 months ago)
Is it possible to start a commander deck with just one color?
xObsidinX (6 months ago)
Why yes, it is summer now (in louisiana at least)
Jon Newman (6 months ago)
cEDH made me make a blue deck that just runs imprint counterspells. I call it NO.
Jon Newman (6 months ago)
I'm going to have infinite mana! No. I'm going to have infinite turns. No. I'm going to have infinite this. No. Hey Jon check out this new infinite combo. Wanna play against my blue deck? NO.
Chris E (6 months ago)
"could be summer for them now too" Well.. 😂
Xxx Xxx (6 months ago)
Where is the atraxa/narset prison decks?
alexander fortin (6 months ago)
whats with the siracha
Schaelarren (7 months ago)
Timetwister doesn't get shuffled into your library. There would have to be something else to that combo for it to work.
MrDononino (7 months ago)
loss of life is not damage, so angel won't prevent ad naeseum?
Grandpas Magic (7 months ago)
Angel's Grace should NOT stop the loss of life from Ad Nauseam as Ad Nauseam says lose life, not deals damage. All damage is loss of life, but not all loss of life is damage. Please explain....?
RioreusuHD (7 months ago)
"It could be summer for them." *Looks outside.* ...these guys are on to me.
Manuel Serrano (7 months ago)
First and foremost! Before I continue this video, I have to point out how I love how you have the hot sauce and the salt just posted making sure it is seen lol!!! #GAMEKNIGHTS
Eddie Galvan (7 months ago)
Praetor's Grasp not a good card? Three mana for two Sol Rings
WeCoolWeCool BOUNCE (7 months ago)
Thrasios is NOT competitive..he wouldn't stay on the board long enough to do his ability. Prossh is good, but i've seen it get disrupted far more than ive seen it go off. Tazri, again, is NOT competitive and is only seen when someone needs a makeshift 5color commander to make their deck legal for the night. Zur is great. I seriously question the ability of this group to discern quality commander decks, let alone "powerful" or "competitive."
merfolk tribal (4 months ago)
WeCoolWeCool BOUNCE are you actually high??
NEEEP (7 months ago)
Lol I am watching this way after the holidays that's funny
Rob Lewis (7 months ago)
1:03 it's springtime for me but close enough!
Richard Sugai (7 months ago)
I have a friend that plays a Rafiq of the Many deck that has managed to win turn 3-4. It's pretty insane. I run a Liliana heretical healer that can usually hold its own against it. It plays the graveyard more than the deck.
simeon62205 (7 months ago)
sudden spoiling wouldn't stop any deck except thrasios it does nothing against zur, it MAY stop prossh, but I would expect them to have a backup, and tazri just tutors a different wincon
simeon62205 (7 months ago)
with the timetwister combo, you would need something to shuffle timetwister back into your ibrary for it to work. timetwister doesn't shuffle itself in
zZegrim (7 months ago)
This is basically just a list of how why blue players are assholes (minus Prossh)
Robert Molina (7 months ago)
My group doesn’t play infinite anything, we play for fun.

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